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		<title>By: ilaya seran senguttuvan</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/366/comment-page-1#comment-6237</link>
		<dc:creator>ilaya seran senguttuvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harshana Somapriya (8)  I am with you that the intention of the District Quota System had salient features. But this is one of those goods things that was done the bad way. Dr Mahmud could have set what he perceived as &quot;distortions&quot; in the educational system through other means without rocking the boat. I am told he was advised so - by learned people like Dr Premadasa (?) Udagama, who I believe was the Ministry Sec then - but Buddy chose his perilous path.  To conclude the earlier system was totally unjust to the talented University aspirant in deprived areas is may not be all true. In fact, the earlier system produced brilliant students who went to serve the country and the world with great distinction. 2 names come to my mind - one the NASA scientist Dr George Ponnaperuma.
The other my friend Uswatta-arachi, who still proudly proclaims he is a product of a village and a Central school. Dr U, thereafter, was a brilliant product of Cambridge U and the
UN/N&#039;York.  There are hundreds of others. It is the radical approach to totally overhaul our earlier-good education that resulted in the poor crop of students coming out of the system. While the earlier system produced Doctors, Engineers and other professionals; Clerks and accountants the &quot;revolution in education&quot; that began in the
1970s is now producing domestic servants, cooks, labourers etc nearly a million of them in the Gulf countries by which this country is now identified as a country producing &quot;slaves and
labourers&quot;  Bismeth&#039;s (10) comments are not worth responding because he clearly comes out only  to defend a man of his faith - now a regular feature whether the position of the person concerned is right or wrong. Bismeth is a  product of that notorious School of Cyril Mathew, who unleashed the the false but venomous charge that Bismeth puts forward. On the whole,  Tamil Examiners you refer to were responsible for producing some of the most respected, useful and patriotic Doctors,
Engineers, Architects and so on whose names are celebrated
by every community in the country. You have done a dis-service to good Tamil Examiners by your wild and
distasteful accusation.  They were, of course,
all Tamils -  to Bismeth&#039;s warped mind and  displeasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harshana Somapriya (8)  I am with you that the intention of the District Quota System had salient features. But this is one of those goods things that was done the bad way. Dr Mahmud could have set what he perceived as &#8220;distortions&#8221; in the educational system through other means without rocking the boat. I am told he was advised so &#8211; by learned people like Dr Premadasa (?) Udagama, who I believe was the Ministry Sec then &#8211; but Buddy chose his perilous path.  To conclude the earlier system was totally unjust to the talented University aspirant in deprived areas is may not be all true. In fact, the earlier system produced brilliant students who went to serve the country and the world with great distinction. 2 names come to my mind &#8211; one the NASA scientist Dr George Ponnaperuma.<br />
The other my friend Uswatta-arachi, who still proudly proclaims he is a product of a village and a Central school. Dr U, thereafter, was a brilliant product of Cambridge U and the<br />
UN/N&#8217;York.  There are hundreds of others. It is the radical approach to totally overhaul our earlier-good education that resulted in the poor crop of students coming out of the system. While the earlier system produced Doctors, Engineers and other professionals; Clerks and accountants the &#8220;revolution in education&#8221; that began in the<br />
1970s is now producing domestic servants, cooks, labourers etc nearly a million of them in the Gulf countries by which this country is now identified as a country producing &#8220;slaves and<br />
labourers&#8221;  Bismeth&#8217;s (10) comments are not worth responding because he clearly comes out only  to defend a man of his faith &#8211; now a regular feature whether the position of the person concerned is right or wrong. Bismeth is a  product of that notorious School of Cyril Mathew, who unleashed the the false but venomous charge that Bismeth puts forward. On the whole,  Tamil Examiners you refer to were responsible for producing some of the most respected, useful and patriotic Doctors,<br />
Engineers, Architects and so on whose names are celebrated<br />
by every community in the country. You have done a dis-service to good Tamil Examiners by your wild and<br />
distasteful accusation.  They were, of course,<br />
all Tamils &#8211;  to Bismeth&#8217;s warped mind and  displeasure.</p>
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		<title>By: S Rasalingam</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/366/comment-page-1#comment-6221</link>
		<dc:creator>S Rasalingam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that I should have answered the comments as well, and not just the main article by Wakeley Paul. 

It is not easy to do this because there are too many threads to follow. However, there are a number of valuable comments here and I will try my best.

#1 reply to   raj
 Indeed, Catse system is an Indian cultural phenomenon which exists in our part of the world, even if yoiu are a Christian, not only among Tamils, but also among the North Indian Hindus. But the Jaffna Tamil Christians were a bit less caste-conscious than the Hindus. We should take a modern interpretation of Hindusim (e.g, Vivekanada) instead of, say, Navalar.  
Thank you sir.

#3 reply to Sri; 
We all  get tired after one hour of writing it out in long hand and getting one&#039;s grand-daughter to type it into the internet..

 But now I will  gladly reply your comments.
Indeed, I agree that the war in the North has turned Tamil society upside down, with the place of women, lower castes etc., all modified. All social up heavels have this effect, and Marxists and other people claim that all social progress occurs by such periodic clashes (caused by the inherent contradictions in society). They think such conflict is NECESSARY. That is where I disagree. Given the right leadership, one can achieve change without excessive conflict. The &quot;constituionalist&quot; approach to getting independence from the British worked in Sri Lanka without the bloodshed and fire that happened in India. The Marxists were not happy with it and wanted a revolutionary, violent process sealed in blood, to make it a &quot;true independence from the imperialist&quot;. Colvin, NM Perera and others continued to claim that Ceylon had secret clauses with the British and there was no true independence.
The Soviet bloc continued  to block our admission to the UN.
As for majoritarian rule etc., I don&#039;t quite follow your reasoning,  and berhaps I will be able to touch on them in answering the other comments. 
Thank you sir.

#4 comment by Murugan.
I like your write up,  it is logical and would form an excellent basis for further reflection.; and no one really has the answers to all the difficult and valid questions you raise. I will give my thoughts on some of them.
Do not for one moment think that I am putting all the blame on GGPonnambalam. Ity takes two to Tango.
In fact, there were other communalist upstarts in the early Donoughmore era. But GGP and SWRD were two extremely talented and effective leaders, even when it came to racis! . But Baron Jayatilleke and DSSenanayake managed to keep the lid on Sinhala nationalism in the 1930s. This was partly because even GGP and SWRD were not true ingrained racists - they were debating-club types who were ready to use the racial stick to further their political ends. When DSSenanayke showed that he can contol the Sinhala extrimists by shutting them out during the Soulbury commission (where GGP was give full reign to attack the Sinhala, while DSSennayake ordered a dignified silence), I think GGP developed the confidence that he can work with DSS. I strongly doubt that GGP joined DSS&#039; government purely for personal gain. He felt that he could perhaps achieve some thing, and little by litlle he had become a moderate politician who did NOT have to use the racial ploy to gain a top place among the Tamils. But SJV and EMV were the younger generation. They were subject to the racial rhetoric of the 1930s, and their racism was definitely ingrained, and they had a reason to attack GGP and capture the leadership of the tamils.

SWRD was basically a democrat with a racist cry for oppotunistic reasons. The Satyagrahas and civil disobedience programs of Arasu Kachchi 
(this is how they write this word in english newspapers, and somebody had criticised me for it) produced a very heated political situation where SWRD or anyone else could not do anything.
Later on Dudley too failed. You cannot have political
deals if there is no basic trust between the communities. 
SJV and friends thought of the Sinhala as invaders of the &quot;homelands&quot; and decided to adopt the tactics used by Nehru and others against the Britsh invader. The sathyagraha method works if you are the Majority, fighting a minority (e.g., the british) who is in power. The Tamils were a minority, fighting a majority. History shows that direct confrontation using civil disobidience does not ever
work in such circumstances. It would be like some small group of people in China attempting to confront the chinese government.
Minorities have to use more subtle methods. The Jewish community  in the USA have done that. They 
basically control  many aspects of US administration, foreign policy etc.
see my article:
http://lankaguardian.blogspot.com/2008/03/response-lost-battle-for-tamil-eelam.html
   
Finally, although democracy and one vote for one man is a very bad system, it is the best we have ( so said, I think, Churchill).

#5 reply to Ilaya seran senguttuvan

In the old days an Indian &quot;cooolie&quot; could not just come to Ceylon, or just leave as they wished. In fact by 1939 India shut off all arrivals of &quot;coolies&quot; from India, and this  and other matters were taken up in the 1941 Indo-Ceylon talks between Senanayake and Bajpai. 
Incidentally, even in the 1930s, many estate workers did not &quot;just take the train&quot;, but walked it through in the &quot;Paadayathraa&quot; style.

The concept of &quot;unexpressed rights&quot; was NOT introduced by Michael Roberts, but by Wilson. 

Senguttuvan&#039;s comment about historians suggests that we should only go by our (i.e, tamil ?) historians, while they have their (sinhala?) historians. It is also said that we need to study the &quot;history of the historian&quot;. 
I must very humbly BEG TO DIFFER shraply. The worst thing is to set up this kind of ethnically acceptable histories, and begin &quot;witchhunts&quot; against historians who are labeled as &quot;traitors to the cause&quot; or what ever. It is of course true that people can have biases, and worst still, they can actually have political agendas which means they will suppress parts of information and present only parts favourable to their case. 

But this is a standard problem in the law of evidence and court procedure.
How to handle is well known.
 The defending lawyer will make up the best case for the accussed and supress all the evidence against his client. The prosecuting counsel will put the best case to damage the accussed and not bring out stuff that would weaken the presecution. The Jury is expected to weigh the evidence and arrive at a conclusion. The jury does not have to study the &quot;history of the prosecuting lawyer or the defending lawyer&quot;. In the same way, we need not study the &quot;history of the historians&quot;. But we need to study the history written by Tamil authors, Sinhalese, Englsih, French Indian and other writers, and we (the JURY) have to make up our conclusion. The histroians are the experts consels. The public are the jury.
I fully agree with Ilaya seran senguttuvan that Dr. Nalin de Silva writes nonsense. His recent articles in the Island claims that &quot;western&quot; truth in particular is not relavant to us ( and fogs it up with irrelavant allusions to quantum science and relativity), and claims that the only point of view applicable in SriLanka is the &quot;SinhalaBuddhsit&quot; point of view. This is a  Maths Prof. who has failed to excell in maths, but succeeded in cheap polemics.
It is both true that Tamils came here 400 years ago,
and obviously much earlier, even according to the Mahavamsa. As for the year 4000 BCE, anyone can believe anything htey want. In fact, the Indian citizenship act of Senanayake says that 7 years permanent residence makes the Indian worker a citizen. So  you don&#039;t need 4000 or 400 years. Once you are a citizen, ALL citizens have equal rights, and this debate about who came first is as stupid as the question of weather a stone has a male lingam or a female lingam. You can make it inot either shape.

The &quot;homelands&quot; claim of Chelvanayakam and others was the most divisive and unnecessary claim of all. I disagree completely with it. But that will need a whole article. You ndon&#039;t argue about it, but you occupy it, instead of living in Colombo 7.

However, let me thank you, Ilaya seran senguttuvan for expressing your views clearly and politely.

#6 and #7 by Fairplay and satheesan.
Thank you for your nice appreciative comments.
Fairplay is absolutely right in noting that we need &quot;cosmopolitan&quot; societies for growth to occur. Mono-ethnic enclaves based on misplaced nationalism is the death warrent on such self-isolated ethnic groups. This is why I believe that the &quot;Ceylonese concept&quot;, or equivalently, he &quot;Sri L:anka concept&quot;, is the way for the futur.

I don&#039;t know enough about Mr. Mano Ganesan&#039;s politics. But if he has the breath of vision to at least occassionally speak out about  the iniquities often heaped on other (i.e., nonTamil) communities, then you have a politician who can become a statesman.  

#8 Thank you Mr. harshana Somapriya. You have interesting inputs about this standardization problem. But I think people are making too much of a fuss about getting into university. This one-track mentality of getting a job in the govt. or the professions was an old, outdated Jaffna concept.  But today with the open economy, people who didn&#039;t go to university are often doing better than those who went there and spend 7 years trying to get a degree that should have taken onlt 4 years, because of LTTE or JVP campus strife.

I think the other comments need no reply from me.

Thank you very much.

S. Rasalingam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that I should have answered the comments as well, and not just the main article by Wakeley Paul. </p>
<p>It is not easy to do this because there are too many threads to follow. However, there are a number of valuable comments here and I will try my best.</p>
<p>#1 reply to   raj<br />
 Indeed, Catse system is an Indian cultural phenomenon which exists in our part of the world, even if yoiu are a Christian, not only among Tamils, but also among the North Indian Hindus. But the Jaffna Tamil Christians were a bit less caste-conscious than the Hindus. We should take a modern interpretation of Hindusim (e.g, Vivekanada) instead of, say, Navalar.<br />
Thank you sir.</p>
<p>#3 reply to Sri;<br />
We all  get tired after one hour of writing it out in long hand and getting one&#8217;s grand-daughter to type it into the internet..</p>
<p> But now I will  gladly reply your comments.<br />
Indeed, I agree that the war in the North has turned Tamil society upside down, with the place of women, lower castes etc., all modified. All social up heavels have this effect, and Marxists and other people claim that all social progress occurs by such periodic clashes (caused by the inherent contradictions in society). They think such conflict is NECESSARY. That is where I disagree. Given the right leadership, one can achieve change without excessive conflict. The &#8220;constituionalist&#8221; approach to getting independence from the British worked in Sri Lanka without the bloodshed and fire that happened in India. The Marxists were not happy with it and wanted a revolutionary, violent process sealed in blood, to make it a &#8220;true independence from the imperialist&#8221;. Colvin, NM Perera and others continued to claim that Ceylon had secret clauses with the British and there was no true independence.<br />
The Soviet bloc continued  to block our admission to the UN.<br />
As for majoritarian rule etc., I don&#8217;t quite follow your reasoning,  and berhaps I will be able to touch on them in answering the other comments.<br />
Thank you sir.</p>
<p>#4 comment by Murugan.<br />
I like your write up,  it is logical and would form an excellent basis for further reflection.; and no one really has the answers to all the difficult and valid questions you raise. I will give my thoughts on some of them.<br />
Do not for one moment think that I am putting all the blame on GGPonnambalam. Ity takes two to Tango.<br />
In fact, there were other communalist upstarts in the early Donoughmore era. But GGP and SWRD were two extremely talented and effective leaders, even when it came to racis! . But Baron Jayatilleke and DSSenanayake managed to keep the lid on Sinhala nationalism in the 1930s. This was partly because even GGP and SWRD were not true ingrained racists &#8211; they were debating-club types who were ready to use the racial stick to further their political ends. When DSSenanayke showed that he can contol the Sinhala extrimists by shutting them out during the Soulbury commission (where GGP was give full reign to attack the Sinhala, while DSSennayake ordered a dignified silence), I think GGP developed the confidence that he can work with DSS. I strongly doubt that GGP joined DSS&#8217; government purely for personal gain. He felt that he could perhaps achieve some thing, and little by litlle he had become a moderate politician who did NOT have to use the racial ploy to gain a top place among the Tamils. But SJV and EMV were the younger generation. They were subject to the racial rhetoric of the 1930s, and their racism was definitely ingrained, and they had a reason to attack GGP and capture the leadership of the tamils.</p>
<p>SWRD was basically a democrat with a racist cry for oppotunistic reasons. The Satyagrahas and civil disobedience programs of Arasu Kachchi<br />
(this is how they write this word in english newspapers, and somebody had criticised me for it) produced a very heated political situation where SWRD or anyone else could not do anything.<br />
Later on Dudley too failed. You cannot have political<br />
deals if there is no basic trust between the communities.<br />
SJV and friends thought of the Sinhala as invaders of the &#8220;homelands&#8221; and decided to adopt the tactics used by Nehru and others against the Britsh invader. The sathyagraha method works if you are the Majority, fighting a minority (e.g., the british) who is in power. The Tamils were a minority, fighting a majority. History shows that direct confrontation using civil disobidience does not ever<br />
work in such circumstances. It would be like some small group of people in China attempting to confront the chinese government.<br />
Minorities have to use more subtle methods. The Jewish community  in the USA have done that. They<br />
basically control  many aspects of US administration, foreign policy etc.<br />
see my article:<br />
<a href="http://lankaguardian.blogspot.com/2008/03/response-lost-battle-for-tamil-eelam.html" rel="nofollow">http://lankaguardian.blogspot.com/2008/03/response-lost-battle-for-tamil-eelam.html</a></p>
<p>Finally, although democracy and one vote for one man is a very bad system, it is the best we have ( so said, I think, Churchill).</p>
<p>#5 reply to Ilaya seran senguttuvan</p>
<p>In the old days an Indian &#8220;cooolie&#8221; could not just come to Ceylon, or just leave as they wished. In fact by 1939 India shut off all arrivals of &#8220;coolies&#8221; from India, and this  and other matters were taken up in the 1941 Indo-Ceylon talks between Senanayake and Bajpai.<br />
Incidentally, even in the 1930s, many estate workers did not &#8220;just take the train&#8221;, but walked it through in the &#8220;Paadayathraa&#8221; style.</p>
<p>The concept of &#8220;unexpressed rights&#8221; was NOT introduced by Michael Roberts, but by Wilson. </p>
<p>Senguttuvan&#8217;s comment about historians suggests that we should only go by our (i.e, tamil ?) historians, while they have their (sinhala?) historians. It is also said that we need to study the &#8220;history of the historian&#8221;.<br />
I must very humbly BEG TO DIFFER shraply. The worst thing is to set up this kind of ethnically acceptable histories, and begin &#8220;witchhunts&#8221; against historians who are labeled as &#8220;traitors to the cause&#8221; or what ever. It is of course true that people can have biases, and worst still, they can actually have political agendas which means they will suppress parts of information and present only parts favourable to their case. </p>
<p>But this is a standard problem in the law of evidence and court procedure.<br />
How to handle is well known.<br />
 The defending lawyer will make up the best case for the accussed and supress all the evidence against his client. The prosecuting counsel will put the best case to damage the accussed and not bring out stuff that would weaken the presecution. The Jury is expected to weigh the evidence and arrive at a conclusion. The jury does not have to study the &#8220;history of the prosecuting lawyer or the defending lawyer&#8221;. In the same way, we need not study the &#8220;history of the historians&#8221;. But we need to study the history written by Tamil authors, Sinhalese, Englsih, French Indian and other writers, and we (the JURY) have to make up our conclusion. The histroians are the experts consels. The public are the jury.<br />
I fully agree with Ilaya seran senguttuvan that Dr. Nalin de Silva writes nonsense. His recent articles in the Island claims that &#8220;western&#8221; truth in particular is not relavant to us ( and fogs it up with irrelavant allusions to quantum science and relativity), and claims that the only point of view applicable in SriLanka is the &#8220;SinhalaBuddhsit&#8221; point of view. This is a  Maths Prof. who has failed to excell in maths, but succeeded in cheap polemics.<br />
It is both true that Tamils came here 400 years ago,<br />
and obviously much earlier, even according to the Mahavamsa. As for the year 4000 BCE, anyone can believe anything htey want. In fact, the Indian citizenship act of Senanayake says that 7 years permanent residence makes the Indian worker a citizen. So  you don&#8217;t need 4000 or 400 years. Once you are a citizen, ALL citizens have equal rights, and this debate about who came first is as stupid as the question of weather a stone has a male lingam or a female lingam. You can make it inot either shape.</p>
<p>The &#8220;homelands&#8221; claim of Chelvanayakam and others was the most divisive and unnecessary claim of all. I disagree completely with it. But that will need a whole article. You ndon&#8217;t argue about it, but you occupy it, instead of living in Colombo 7.</p>
<p>However, let me thank you, Ilaya seran senguttuvan for expressing your views clearly and politely.</p>
<p>#6 and #7 by Fairplay and satheesan.<br />
Thank you for your nice appreciative comments.<br />
Fairplay is absolutely right in noting that we need &#8220;cosmopolitan&#8221; societies for growth to occur. Mono-ethnic enclaves based on misplaced nationalism is the death warrent on such self-isolated ethnic groups. This is why I believe that the &#8220;Ceylonese concept&#8221;, or equivalently, he &#8220;Sri L:anka concept&#8221;, is the way for the futur.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about Mr. Mano Ganesan&#8217;s politics. But if he has the breath of vision to at least occassionally speak out about  the iniquities often heaped on other (i.e., nonTamil) communities, then you have a politician who can become a statesman.  </p>
<p>#8 Thank you Mr. harshana Somapriya. You have interesting inputs about this standardization problem. But I think people are making too much of a fuss about getting into university. This one-track mentality of getting a job in the govt. or the professions was an old, outdated Jaffna concept.  But today with the open economy, people who didn&#8217;t go to university are often doing better than those who went there and spend 7 years trying to get a degree that should have taken onlt 4 years, because of LTTE or JVP campus strife.</p>
<p>I think the other comments need no reply from me.</p>
<p>Thank you very much.</p>
<p>S. Rasalingam.</p>
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		<title>By: 2 nd generation</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/366/comment-page-1#comment-6181</link>
		<dc:creator>2 nd generation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a lot of crap, stop being silly.</description>
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		<title>By: dias</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/366/comment-page-1#comment-6167</link>
		<dc:creator>dias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truly sad part is not that that our fathers and forefathers royally screwed things up then, but that we &#8211; the present generations of Sinhalese, Tamil, Muslim, and others &#8211; are miserably failing to evolve a mutually agreeable formula for now. And it is highly unlikely that we could even come close to talking about practical solutions until we change out mind-sets to think in terms of &#8220;we&#8221; and &#8220;us&#8221; &#8211; all Sri Lankans &#8211; as opposed to &#8220;them&#8221; vs. &#8220;us&#8221;. At a time in human evolution where space travel has become a reality for ordinary people, in Sri Lanka, we are still trying to figure out how to merely get along with one-another! What is fundamentally needed is what every religion preaches … mutual compassion &#8211; a commodity that appears to be in very short supply on the island, especially among warring intellectuals.</p>
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		<title>By: bismeth</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re - comment by Ilaya Sevan Senguttavan 

Mr Rasalingam mentioned that Badi&#039;s Ministry should have introduced quotas for depressed classes, referring to non-enfranchised estate workers of Indian origin.However, you grasp the monkey&#039;s tail by referring to the standardised marking system introduced by Badi. Please note that this sytem was introduced to prevent widespread abuse by Examiners from predominantly Tamil areas who made a mockery of the merit system by unfair script markings to give their candidates an advantage over those from the other areas. Now who is distorting facts here, i wonder.</description>
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<p>Mr Rasalingam mentioned that Badi&#8217;s Ministry should have introduced quotas for depressed classes, referring to non-enfranchised estate workers of Indian origin.However, you grasp the monkey&#8217;s tail by referring to the standardised marking system introduced by Badi. Please note that this sytem was introduced to prevent widespread abuse by Examiners from predominantly Tamil areas who made a mockery of the merit system by unfair script markings to give their candidates an advantage over those from the other areas. Now who is distorting facts here, i wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: mihina</title>
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		<dc:creator>mihina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha Ha ha</description>
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		<title>By: harshana somapriya</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/366/comment-page-1#comment-6144</link>
		<dc:creator>harshana somapriya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#ilaya seran senguttuvan ,
Do you still consider &#039;district quota system for university admissions&#039; something wrong &amp; worth fighting a war against it?
I&#039;ll tell you my personal experience. I studied for A/L with two of my friends, one going to a school in Gampaha district &amp; other travelling 5 hours daily to go to an elite school in Colombo. At the A/L exam the friend who went to Colombo obtained higher marks but failed to enter Engineering faculty, but the other with lower marks got qualified under the district quota system. If you look at the table with cutoff marks for each district, you can see how the students from Colombo, Galle &amp; Matara are made to score much much higher marks than to those from Vanni districts, eastern districts &amp; Nuwara Eliya.

Cutoff marks for 2006/07 are available at: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ugc.ac.lk/admissions/cutoff/2006_07/cutoff200607kilinochchi.htm&quot;&gt;UGC&lt;/a&gt;

But still I do consider this standardization is something positive, because we donot have a school system with equal facilities in Sri Lanka. And since we have a free education even at university level, it is vital that all sections of our country are given a fair chance. ( It is the tax money of all citizens that pay the costs of all graduates)

It is wrong to say, &#039;(govt.) simply wanted to reduce the intake of Tamil youth into the Medical, Engineering, Dental, Agriculture Faculties&#039;. You may not know that there&#039;s a saying among Sinhalese villagers, &#039;Kolombata kiri, apata kekiri&#039;, which means that the priority is given to Colombo &amp; the villages are illtreated. This is a measure to allow the poor under previleged rural youth to shackle the barriers &amp; bear the fruits of higher education. It is extremely rude to summarise it as a fascist act of then govt. Those who benefited from it, include students from all communities of this country. 
True, that there are short comings, for example even the students from shanties in Colombo have to take the hightest marks in the island to enter Universities. But since we are a poor country we cannot afford to have perfect systems. What we should strive is to let all who pass A/L to proceed with higher education in areas they like.
So please don&#039;t try to portray this standardisation process as a pure injustice to Tamils. ( since the students from all communities are in both sides of advantaged &amp; disadvantaged from this system)

I would like to thank Mr.Rasalingam for writing to this forum. Your views will bring a new dimension to our thinking.
We can build a strong solution to our problem only on basis of truth. A solution crafted on false foundation will not last long, or bring peace to the unfairly advantaged community.
Having said all these I have to ascertain my Tamil friends that almost all Sinhalese (90%+) accept that there are specific problems faced by the Tamil community which require fair solutions. What is required is to provide constructive support &amp; stimulus to draft &amp; implement a &#039;fair solution&#039; (or at least to take a single step in the right direction) &amp; to stop the deaths of poor Sinhala &amp; Tamil youths who are dying for the wrongs of others.
( who ever started the communal politics first it is the elites of both communities, but those who suffer immensely today are those from the less fortunate groups of both communities)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#ilaya seran senguttuvan ,<br />
Do you still consider &#8216;district quota system for university admissions&#8217; something wrong &amp; worth fighting a war against it?<br />
I&#8217;ll tell you my personal experience. I studied for A/L with two of my friends, one going to a school in Gampaha district &amp; other travelling 5 hours daily to go to an elite school in Colombo. At the A/L exam the friend who went to Colombo obtained higher marks but failed to enter Engineering faculty, but the other with lower marks got qualified under the district quota system. If you look at the table with cutoff marks for each district, you can see how the students from Colombo, Galle &amp; Matara are made to score much much higher marks than to those from Vanni districts, eastern districts &amp; Nuwara Eliya.</p>
<p>Cutoff marks for 2006/07 are available at: <a href="http://www.ugc.ac.lk/admissions/cutoff/2006_07/cutoff200607kilinochchi.htm">UGC</a></p>
<p>But still I do consider this standardization is something positive, because we donot have a school system with equal facilities in Sri Lanka. And since we have a free education even at university level, it is vital that all sections of our country are given a fair chance. ( It is the tax money of all citizens that pay the costs of all graduates)</p>
<p>It is wrong to say, &#8216;(govt.) simply wanted to reduce the intake of Tamil youth into the Medical, Engineering, Dental, Agriculture Faculties&#8217;. You may not know that there&#8217;s a saying among Sinhalese villagers, &#8216;Kolombata kiri, apata kekiri&#8217;, which means that the priority is given to Colombo &amp; the villages are illtreated. This is a measure to allow the poor under previleged rural youth to shackle the barriers &amp; bear the fruits of higher education. It is extremely rude to summarise it as a fascist act of then govt. Those who benefited from it, include students from all communities of this country.<br />
True, that there are short comings, for example even the students from shanties in Colombo have to take the hightest marks in the island to enter Universities. But since we are a poor country we cannot afford to have perfect systems. What we should strive is to let all who pass A/L to proceed with higher education in areas they like.<br />
So please don&#8217;t try to portray this standardisation process as a pure injustice to Tamils. ( since the students from all communities are in both sides of advantaged &amp; disadvantaged from this system)</p>
<p>I would like to thank Mr.Rasalingam for writing to this forum. Your views will bring a new dimension to our thinking.<br />
We can build a strong solution to our problem only on basis of truth. A solution crafted on false foundation will not last long, or bring peace to the unfairly advantaged community.<br />
Having said all these I have to ascertain my Tamil friends that almost all Sinhalese (90%+) accept that there are specific problems faced by the Tamil community which require fair solutions. What is required is to provide constructive support &amp; stimulus to draft &amp; implement a &#8216;fair solution&#8217; (or at least to take a single step in the right direction) &amp; to stop the deaths of poor Sinhala &amp; Tamil youths who are dying for the wrongs of others.<br />
( who ever started the communal politics first it is the elites of both communities, but those who suffer immensely today are those from the less fortunate groups of both communities)</p>
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		<title>By: Satheesan</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/366/comment-page-1#comment-6133</link>
		<dc:creator>Satheesan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really good article. Bitter truth for some of our nationalistic friends. Sir, please keep writing to fedealidea forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really good article. Bitter truth for some of our nationalistic friends. Sir, please keep writing to fedealidea forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairplay</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/366/comment-page-1#comment-6123</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairplay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an Eye opener for all Tamils. Mr.Rasalingam seems suppressed within the Jaffna society and raised his head with dignity when he reached Colombo ; a cosmopolitan society.

Colombo knew nothing about caste system and I myself have not experienced such discrimination in SL until I came to Canada and became fully aware of such a disgraceful notion and confronted those who tried to influence me into such a phenomena.

Again, yes ,the Kallathonis are on the reverse path. Those who called the Indian Tamils as &quot;Vadakkathaiyaan&quot; Northerners and &quot; &quot;Thottakaattaan&quot; Estate coolies are falling at their country and feet for refuge. 
This may be called retribution for the disgraceful treatment of your  own origin.

Colombo Tamils stood neutral for everyone. 

The drawback during the Srima regime was that there were Leaders to represent the Indian Tamils and Jaffna Tamils only.

Had there been a Leader to represent the Colombo Tamils, like Mano Ganeshan, the state affairs toward Tamils would have turned a different dimension in handling Tamils affairs.

In fact most from the Northern peninsula would have reached colombo and prospered in all dimensions.

Fairplay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an Eye opener for all Tamils. Mr.Rasalingam seems suppressed within the Jaffna society and raised his head with dignity when he reached Colombo ; a cosmopolitan society.</p>
<p>Colombo knew nothing about caste system and I myself have not experienced such discrimination in SL until I came to Canada and became fully aware of such a disgraceful notion and confronted those who tried to influence me into such a phenomena.</p>
<p>Again, yes ,the Kallathonis are on the reverse path. Those who called the Indian Tamils as &#8220;Vadakkathaiyaan&#8221; Northerners and &#8221; &#8220;Thottakaattaan&#8221; Estate coolies are falling at their country and feet for refuge.<br />
This may be called retribution for the disgraceful treatment of your  own origin.</p>
<p>Colombo Tamils stood neutral for everyone. </p>
<p>The drawback during the Srima regime was that there were Leaders to represent the Indian Tamils and Jaffna Tamils only.</p>
<p>Had there been a Leader to represent the Colombo Tamils, like Mano Ganeshan, the state affairs toward Tamils would have turned a different dimension in handling Tamils affairs.</p>
<p>In fact most from the Northern peninsula would have reached colombo and prospered in all dimensions.</p>
<p>Fairplay</p>
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		<title>By: ilaya seran senguttuvan</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/366/comment-page-1#comment-6120</link>
		<dc:creator>ilaya seran senguttuvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Rasalingam raises far  more questions than what he seeks to answer. From what he writes one must gather R is close to a 100yrs  which is why Murugan, in his own useful and readable rejoinder,  respectfully calls him &quot;Uncle&quot;  R should be congratulated both for his antiquity, if you will, and an alert and entertaining mind.
Why did you have to carry a small stool from class to class?
Did you suffer a physical disability? Why do you say &quot;you acquired a wife&quot; taking us back to the days of the Slave trade. R must have been subject to some social stress during those days in Mannar, Jaffna and Hatton for he says &quot;when I arrived in Cbo I was treated with a bit more dignity by the Sinhalese - and some Tamils&quot;
I realise these questions fall within the realm of the personal domain but Mr R seems to have a mental block with some sections of the Tamil community - caste, social strata etc
You are right in that Jaffna Tamils - both high and low caste - treated Indian Tamils in general and Estate Tamils in particular
with some disdain then. The worm has since turned as you will notice to the extent even the more prominent Jaffna families are now vying with each other to establish their Family Tree in Tamilnadu. The Kallathoni, sadly, is now travelling on the reverse journey.
You are equally right we had strange Tamil leaders in the Temple Entry and other issues. Equally, we had leaders with higher ideals - both from the higher and other castes - who resisted these injustices successfully both legally and on the ground. You say Thondaman asked his people to tear their Passports. But were there PPs then? I thought all you had to do to go to India is to arrive at the Fort Railway Station and buy a ticket to T&#039;Mannar and off you go to Dhanuskodi in Indian soil.
No hassle of the demeaning Visas then. I have not heard Jennings&#039; name being mentioned with the drafting of the Indian Citizenship Act - although many suspect Kanthiah Vaithianathan
(who packed the Foreign/Defence Ministry with his people the Ministry was called Kandiah Grocery Stores, I am told)  and GGP to have have lent their wisdom to this Bill. You cite Kingsley de Silva and Michael Roberts - both of whose credentials are questioned by the Tamil intellegentia as to their neutrality.
&quot;Discovering and re-writing  history&quot; is one of the traits of some historians. This why there say &quot;If you need to study serious history on a subject first study the history of the historian himself&quot; In your piece you quote Roberts with the strange notion of Expressed Right of Possession of the East by the Tamils. What is the need for this complication
when the ancient Temple in Trinco and the Tamil language-cultural traditions have been there for over
4,000 years. Roberts asked me for evidence through an Australian friend and I asked him to delve into the archives of the Royal Asiatic Society and Paul Peiris&#039; oration  to re-affirm history, which some are working day and night to alter. Our man Nalin de Silva - even as late as last Wednesday in the Island&#039;s Midweek Review -
insists Tamils came here 400 years ago brought by the Dutch for tobacco cultivation. That is the kind of academics and historians the JVP, JHU, MEP young intellectuals are fed with.
You have only added fodder to this trail of mis-information by your earlier piece that has been quoted by the chauvinistic fringe here - which is why many of us doubted if you are a Tamil at all. You write as if Badiu din Mahmud would have done the right thing if he was persuaded so - presumably by the Tamil side. Friend, Mrs B&#039;s Govt of 1970 did not want such a course. They simply wanted to reduce the intake of Tamil youth into the Medical, Engineering, Dental, Agriculture Faculties by SOME means. And so was born Prabakaran and company. For God&#039;s sake, get this nonsense of &quot;the Tamil leaders fighting  for the right of access to University intake for Vellala children&quot; out of your clearly prejudiced mind. The bulk of the Lankan Tamil youth that entered the University  till the early 70s were from non-Vellala families.
I am beginning to understand your probalem - in a way. Don&#039;t feel too bad about Tamils living in &quot;Karuvakkadu&quot; because here
too there were/are  many non-Vellalas from the Tamil community. Don&#039;t feel too bad if you fall within the &quot;Kuthiraikaran&quot; equation because the days of those strange social distortions and injustices are getting obscurer by the day. It is now, like in Obama&#039;s USA, you are judged by merit and by no other consideration although I must say on the caste equation Tamils still have not reached a 100% clean sheet. We soon will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Rasalingam raises far  more questions than what he seeks to answer. From what he writes one must gather R is close to a 100yrs  which is why Murugan, in his own useful and readable rejoinder,  respectfully calls him &#8220;Uncle&#8221;  R should be congratulated both for his antiquity, if you will, and an alert and entertaining mind.<br />
Why did you have to carry a small stool from class to class?<br />
Did you suffer a physical disability? Why do you say &#8220;you acquired a wife&#8221; taking us back to the days of the Slave trade. R must have been subject to some social stress during those days in Mannar, Jaffna and Hatton for he says &#8220;when I arrived in Cbo I was treated with a bit more dignity by the Sinhalese &#8211; and some Tamils&#8221;<br />
I realise these questions fall within the realm of the personal domain but Mr R seems to have a mental block with some sections of the Tamil community &#8211; caste, social strata etc<br />
You are right in that Jaffna Tamils &#8211; both high and low caste &#8211; treated Indian Tamils in general and Estate Tamils in particular<br />
with some disdain then. The worm has since turned as you will notice to the extent even the more prominent Jaffna families are now vying with each other to establish their Family Tree in Tamilnadu. The Kallathoni, sadly, is now travelling on the reverse journey.<br />
You are equally right we had strange Tamil leaders in the Temple Entry and other issues. Equally, we had leaders with higher ideals &#8211; both from the higher and other castes &#8211; who resisted these injustices successfully both legally and on the ground. You say Thondaman asked his people to tear their Passports. But were there PPs then? I thought all you had to do to go to India is to arrive at the Fort Railway Station and buy a ticket to T&#8217;Mannar and off you go to Dhanuskodi in Indian soil.<br />
No hassle of the demeaning Visas then. I have not heard Jennings&#8217; name being mentioned with the drafting of the Indian Citizenship Act &#8211; although many suspect Kanthiah Vaithianathan<br />
(who packed the Foreign/Defence Ministry with his people the Ministry was called Kandiah Grocery Stores, I am told)  and GGP to have have lent their wisdom to this Bill. You cite Kingsley de Silva and Michael Roberts &#8211; both of whose credentials are questioned by the Tamil intellegentia as to their neutrality.<br />
&#8220;Discovering and re-writing  history&#8221; is one of the traits of some historians. This why there say &#8220;If you need to study serious history on a subject first study the history of the historian himself&#8221; In your piece you quote Roberts with the strange notion of Expressed Right of Possession of the East by the Tamils. What is the need for this complication<br />
when the ancient Temple in Trinco and the Tamil language-cultural traditions have been there for over<br />
4,000 years. Roberts asked me for evidence through an Australian friend and I asked him to delve into the archives of the Royal Asiatic Society and Paul Peiris&#8217; oration  to re-affirm history, which some are working day and night to alter. Our man Nalin de Silva &#8211; even as late as last Wednesday in the Island&#8217;s Midweek Review -<br />
insists Tamils came here 400 years ago brought by the Dutch for tobacco cultivation. That is the kind of academics and historians the JVP, JHU, MEP young intellectuals are fed with.<br />
You have only added fodder to this trail of mis-information by your earlier piece that has been quoted by the chauvinistic fringe here &#8211; which is why many of us doubted if you are a Tamil at all. You write as if Badiu din Mahmud would have done the right thing if he was persuaded so &#8211; presumably by the Tamil side. Friend, Mrs B&#8217;s Govt of 1970 did not want such a course. They simply wanted to reduce the intake of Tamil youth into the Medical, Engineering, Dental, Agriculture Faculties by SOME means. And so was born Prabakaran and company. For God&#8217;s sake, get this nonsense of &#8220;the Tamil leaders fighting  for the right of access to University intake for Vellala children&#8221; out of your clearly prejudiced mind. The bulk of the Lankan Tamil youth that entered the University  till the early 70s were from non-Vellala families.<br />
I am beginning to understand your probalem &#8211; in a way. Don&#8217;t feel too bad about Tamils living in &#8220;Karuvakkadu&#8221; because here<br />
too there were/are  many non-Vellalas from the Tamil community. Don&#8217;t feel too bad if you fall within the &#8220;Kuthiraikaran&#8221; equation because the days of those strange social distortions and injustices are getting obscurer by the day. It is now, like in Obama&#8217;s USA, you are judged by merit and by no other consideration although I must say on the caste equation Tamils still have not reached a 100% clean sheet. We soon will.</p>
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