Comments on: “Will Tamil Kudumbimalai be Turned into Sinhala Thoppigala Soon”? http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:30:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mahi Roda http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-6535 Mahi Roda Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:44:25 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-6535 The kings hat and queens legs became Thoppigala. Thoppiya and gala The kings hat and queens legs became Thoppigala.
Thoppiya and gala

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By: eelam 4 life http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-4917 eelam 4 life Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:16:04 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-4917 well i want to ask every one a question? y can't the goverment let the ltte control the areas which is nominated by tamils than let srilankan aqrmy who rape women and use tham as prostuties . well
i want to ask every one a question?
y can’t the goverment let the ltte control the areas which is nominated by tamils than let srilankan aqrmy who rape women and use tham as prostuties .

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By: indrajith http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-3721 indrajith Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:10:14 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-3721 even though u u seem to talk truthfully,we all are sceptical about ngo backed humanitarian stunts,so take care you have only told half the truth,other half dedicated to undermining sinhalese kings and our victories over tamil invaders past 2000 years even though u u seem to talk truthfully,we all are sceptical about ngo backed humanitarian stunts,so take care you have only told half the truth,other half dedicated to undermining sinhalese kings and our victories over tamil invaders past 2000 years

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By: Peace Lover http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-2407 Peace Lover Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:41:24 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-2407 May God Help for Peace for all people!! May God Help for Peace for all people!!

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By: peace http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-2172 peace Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:40:06 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-2172 Sinhalese are from India to tamils are from India and were Dravindins. Even though Tamil is older than the Sinhalese language, Tamil people in general should not think they were the oldest and long living in Sri Lanka. Same goes to the Sinhalese people. Theres a lot of prophecies on who came first and who came last. The only truth and logical explanation could be people from Kannada and the king Vijay sailed to Lanka to the south. See King Vijay got married to Queen Quvani ( Quvani is a Tamil name) and the king's people got married to the people who lived in Quvani's Kingdom. The first people who lived in Sri Lanka are Vedas who are aboriginals some think they were Tamils well the name it self Quvani is a Tamil name therefore there is a possibility that the first people are Tamils. Say If Sinhalese were the first people what religion did they practice how did there ancetors who are mixed with the aboriginals have Tamil names. remember Sihalese is language is similar to tamil and kannada. see in Kannada There are Buddists people there. Some people think Sinhalese are mix with Vanga (Bangaladesh) people who speak pali. Remember Pali is from Brahmi Kannada is from Brahmi. Tamil language has no background as in has no ancestoral background were is from. I could keep going on this with propheceis, we gotta stop fighting learn to love each other, I know it is impossible for some, but this birth Sinhala next birth Tamil. We all believe in Karma. Tamil people and Sinhala people gotta stop being stubborn, ignorant and hating. Love God and live in love. Sinhalese are from India to tamils are from India and were Dravindins. Even though Tamil is older than the Sinhalese language, Tamil people in general should not think they were the oldest and long living in Sri Lanka. Same goes to the Sinhalese people. Theres a lot of prophecies on who came first and who came last.

The only truth and logical explanation could be people from Kannada and the king Vijay sailed to Lanka to the south. See King Vijay got married to Queen Quvani ( Quvani is a Tamil name) and the king’s people got married to the people who lived in Quvani’s Kingdom. The first people who lived in Sri Lanka are Vedas who are aboriginals some think they were Tamils well the name it self Quvani is a Tamil name therefore there is a possibility that the first people are Tamils. Say If Sinhalese were the first people what religion did they practice how did there ancetors who are mixed with the aboriginals have Tamil names. remember Sihalese is language is similar to tamil and kannada. see in Kannada There are Buddists people there. Some people think Sinhalese are mix with Vanga (Bangaladesh) people who speak pali. Remember Pali is from Brahmi Kannada is from Brahmi. Tamil language has no background as in has no ancestoral background were is from.

I could keep going on this with propheceis, we gotta stop fighting learn to love each other, I know it is impossible for some, but this birth Sinhala next birth Tamil. We all believe in Karma.
Tamil people and Sinhala people gotta stop being stubborn, ignorant and hating. Love God and live in love.

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By: Thiran http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-987 Thiran Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:04:02 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-987 Hi Eric Nirmalan, Can you please start your own Blog too? You seem to be a great source of truth. What you have mentioned are precious information that should be known by all the people around the world. This LTTE propaganda has created so much hatred, Tamils believe that all what LTTE tell is the truth. What we need is the pre LTTE, pre-British harmony existed in the country that will make every ethnicity important peoples of the land. Hi Eric Nirmalan,

Can you please start your own Blog too? You seem to be a great source of truth.

What you have mentioned are precious information that should be known by all the people around the world.

This LTTE propaganda has created so much hatred, Tamils believe that all what LTTE tell is the truth.

What we need is the pre LTTE, pre-British harmony existed in the country that will make every ethnicity important peoples of the land.

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By: Thamilan http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-982 Thamilan Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:54:48 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-982 Eric, You say there is King Sangili and then you say that Sinhalese Kingdom had control of the entire land? Eric, first of all you are not Tamil and don't pretend hoping that we will buy your BS. It seems that you believe the historical crap written by the Europeans whom had no knowledge of the island. What ever written by Europeans was done by them for divide and conquer which was successful because of morans like you. There were Sinhalese in Jaffna but they were there for trade. Why did the Europeans got foot hold of Lanka because of anomosity between Kotte and Kandy. Who took up arms and lost against the Europeans, it was Jaffna Kingdom then soon the Sinhalese Kingdoms followed. Your argument about Shilappadikaram: READ IT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilappadikaram Then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manimekhalai Eric, seems that you did not check the authenticity of what ever you read. You just believe in what ever you read and forget to check the facts given with actual history. Eric,

You say there is King Sangili and then you say that Sinhalese Kingdom had control of the entire land?

Eric, first of all you are not Tamil and don’t pretend hoping that we will buy your BS.

It seems that you believe the historical crap written by the Europeans whom had no knowledge of the island. What ever written by Europeans was done by them for divide and conquer which was successful because of morans like you. There were Sinhalese in Jaffna but they were there for trade.

Why did the Europeans got foot hold of Lanka because of anomosity between Kotte and Kandy. Who took up arms and lost against the Europeans, it was Jaffna Kingdom then soon the Sinhalese Kingdoms followed.

Your argument about Shilappadikaram:

READ IT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilappadikaram

Then read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manimekhalai

Eric, seems that you did not check the authenticity of what ever you read. You just believe in what ever you read and forget to check the facts given with actual history.

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By: Anonymous http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-978 Anonymous Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:38:43 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-978 Tamils attitude that 'Tamils can live anywhere and Sinhalese should not come to North -East' will continue to torment them and as long as the war goes on they will only loose their so-called homeland, not gain it. This does not mean that Sinhalese have been totally innocent and flawless. Post independent Sinhalese leaders have been doing every dirty thing they can imagine to retain their power. Innocent people belonging to all ethnicities were at the receiving end. What needs is a strong non-racist democratic civil moment which overlook any possible discriminations of race, religion, caste or creed. Otherwise it will be too late when the Ealamists realize that their struggle has created a much more conducive environment for their opponents to play freely in their "Ealam". Only positive from the war for the Tamils is the chance they got to fly to greener pastures in the developed world. Tamils attitude that ‘Tamils can live anywhere and Sinhalese should not come to North -East’ will continue to torment them and as long as the war goes on they will only loose their so-called homeland, not gain it.

This does not mean that Sinhalese have been totally innocent and flawless. Post independent Sinhalese leaders have been doing every dirty thing they can imagine to retain their power. Innocent people belonging to all ethnicities were at the receiving end. What needs is a strong non-racist democratic civil moment which overlook any possible discriminations of race, religion, caste or creed.

Otherwise it will be too late when the Ealamists realize that their struggle has created a much more conducive environment for their opponents to play freely in their “Ealam”.
Only positive from the war for the Tamils is the chance they got to fly to greener pastures in the developed world.

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By: John http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-964 John Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:31:15 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-964 I am suprised to see so many comments from the Sinhalese posters about Tamils living in 'their' areas. I would imagine these are educated people (as they at least own a PC and are able to type in English), thus why can these people not see the difference between Tamils or anyone else for that matter, moving to other areas to work. Versus the Government, which is supposed to be for ALL people, using military force to vacate an area of its population and then under guise of 'secuirty' chaning the ethnic makeup to suite the majority race. These two things are night and day, one is the voluntary movement of citzens the other is state sponsered ethnic cleansing. I am suprised to see so many comments from the Sinhalese posters about Tamils living in ‘their’ areas.

I would imagine these are educated people (as they at least own a PC and are able to type in English), thus why can these people not see the difference between Tamils or anyone else for that matter, moving to other areas to work. Versus the Government, which is supposed to be for ALL people, using military force to vacate an area of its population and then under guise of ’secuirty’ chaning the ethnic makeup to suite the majority race.

These two things are night and day, one is the voluntary movement of citzens the other is state sponsered ethnic cleansing.

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By: Eric Nirmalan http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58/comment-page-2#comment-945 Eric Nirmalan Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:52:20 +0000 http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/58#comment-945 I follow your stories with great interest. In this article you have expressed serious concerns about the possible Sinhalisation of the the claimed Tamil Homealand. As a leading journalist you have to take care not to indoctrinate young Tamils, whip up, create racial hatred and lead them to their destruction like the legendary Pied Piper. Let's be truthful of the history of this island nation, and of our own beloved Tamil nation. Our Tamil nation , which always had its geographical limits in history. According to Illngovadivel who authored Silaaappdigaram (circa Ptolomy) the 'Tamil land was bounded by the sea on the east and the west, Kumari (Cape Comorin) on the south and the Tirupathi hills on the north.' It does not refer to Ilankai as a part of the Tamil nation. So, sadly there was no Tamil nation in the present day Sri Lanka, at anytime. You also speak of a 'LTTE's Tamil national leader'. That is a lot of parroting of the LTTE propaganda which has brutalised and savaged several generations of our youth living in Sri Lanka. Let's also look a bit more of the earliest settlement of Yalpanam which Portugease Father Queroz (circa 1560) a much respected historian elaborates. He says 'Jaffnapatnam was uncultivated and belonged to the Sinhalese kings. Although it had many forested areas the chief occupation of the inhabitants was hunting and fishing.' He also goes to say how the Sinhalese king Parakramabahu of Cota had settled a Panikkar of Thulunar who was a highly skilled warrior as the chief of Yalpanam. It is also will be of interest for our youth to take a look at the very detailed map of the Dutch cartographer, Isaak Tirion circa 1750. Jaffnapatnam is confined to peninsular Jaffna. All the land south of the Jaffna Lagoon to the east, is the Land of the Beddas (veddahs) and to the west is the land of the Vanniyars. History also tell that in later years in 1600+ at each opportunity the Vanniyars got they joined the Sinhalese to raid Yalpanam. So this is the history our young Tamils need to be made aware of and the not racist indoctrination of the 'Surya Thevan' that has caused this massive tragedy to us. We need to to live peacefully with our Sinhlese and Muslim brethren in Sri Lanka. The first official treaty recognsed under international law is the Treaty signed by the Sinhalese king and the Dutch in 1766. This allowed the Dutch the control of one Sinhalese 'gawwa' (4 miles) from the sea from south of Yalpanam around the island in areas not occupied by the Ductch at the tiem. The Sinhalese king also made a claim from the Dutch for the return of Kottiyarama and Tampalagamuwa at the that time. Minister Dewanayagam as a young lawyer in Battcaloa later stated at a public meeting that the 'there were hardly any Tamils in Batticaloa when he first started his practice in the 1930s.' In fact there was no term as the Jaffna Tamils in the early part of 1900. Our ancesters were called Malabars by the Portugese, Dutch and the early British and by varous other terms, until we became predominantly Tamil and Briish came to understand the differences with the recruitment of our brethren for the coffee plantations . Both our own writers Kathiresu, circa 1905 and Mudaliar Rasanayagam uses the term 'Jaffnese'. The term Jaffna Tamils developed only once settlements started in the east so as to distinguish our high caste Tamils from the mixed people of Battcaloa, and that term came into much later in the 20 th century. There were no Northern or Eastern Tamils mentioned till even much later. The Jaffnese in large numbers were confined to the Jaffna peninsular until the railways opened for our ancestors to come to Colombo in 1906 onwards. Else the movement of people by sea or land was very limited. Once Tamil youth are encorage to read factual history of the 1901 census is seen that 88% of the population was concentrated on the Jaffa peninsular and only 12% lived in todays Mullativu, Kilinochchi districts of the Northern Province. As per J.P Lewis (Manual of the Wanni Districts of Ceylon) the long serving Governement Agent of the Wanni, immigration and settlement of the areas from people from Jaffna and India was government sposored and the Mullativu Hospital was called the 'Immigration' Hospital. The areas were abandoned by the Sinhalese who withdrew to the hinterland in the face of foreign invasions. I feel our young Tamils have to be encouraged to read these narratives to know the true history of Sri Lanka rather than the leading them down the garden path of rhetoric, arraogance and racism. Please read, Mudaliar Rasanayam himself in Ancient Jaffna, where he quotes the 'Yalapana Vaipa Malar P 33' and speaks of the Sinhalese living in villages of Yalapanam at the time of our King Sankili. He says 'After the massacre of the Christians, Sankili's insane fury longed for more victims and he fell upon the Buddhists of Jaffna who were all Sinhalese. He expelled them beyond the limits of the country and destroyed their various places of worship. M ost of them betook themselves to the Vannis and the Kandyan territories'. This is as per Y.P.M. I wish young Tamils read and absorb these historical texts and other information rather than listening to unfounded racists literature that has caused such tragedy to our generation. Journalists and othe leaders of the community have a duty to educate our youngsters. It was Sir Pannambalm Ramanathan who rejected universal franchise for all Ceylonese in the 1920s, and sowed the seeds of racism in Ilankai. However the Sinhalese due to their own petty caste issues did not think so. They elected a Tamil to take their seat in the State Council. That was racial harmony at that time for 'one Ceylon'. Lets build that underatsanding rapport once again. I follow your stories with great interest. In this article you have expressed serious concerns about the possible Sinhalisation of the the claimed Tamil Homealand. As a leading journalist you have to take care not to indoctrinate young Tamils, whip up, create racial hatred and lead them to their destruction like the legendary Pied Piper.

Let’s be truthful of the history of this island nation, and of our own beloved Tamil nation. Our Tamil nation , which always had its geographical limits in history. According to Illngovadivel who authored Silaaappdigaram (circa Ptolomy) the ‘Tamil land was bounded by the sea on the east and the west, Kumari (Cape Comorin) on the south and the Tirupathi hills on the north.’ It does not refer to Ilankai as a part of the Tamil nation. So, sadly there was no Tamil nation in the present day Sri Lanka, at anytime.

You also speak of a ‘LTTE’s Tamil national leader’. That is a lot of parroting of the LTTE propaganda
which has brutalised and savaged several generations of our youth living in Sri Lanka.

Let’s also look a bit more of the earliest settlement of Yalpanam which Portugease Father Queroz (circa 1560) a much respected historian elaborates. He says ‘Jaffnapatnam was uncultivated and belonged to the Sinhalese kings. Although it had many forested areas the chief occupation of the inhabitants was hunting and fishing.’ He also goes to say how the Sinhalese king Parakramabahu of Cota had settled a Panikkar of Thulunar who was a highly skilled warrior as the chief of Yalpanam.

It is also will be of interest for our youth to take a look at the very detailed map of the Dutch cartographer, Isaak Tirion circa 1750. Jaffnapatnam is confined to peninsular Jaffna. All the land south of the Jaffna Lagoon to the east, is the Land of the Beddas (veddahs) and to the west is the land of the Vanniyars. History also tell that in later years in 1600+ at each opportunity the Vanniyars got they joined the Sinhalese to raid Yalpanam.

So this is the history our young Tamils need to be made aware of and the not racist indoctrination of the ‘Surya Thevan’ that has caused this massive tragedy to us. We need to to live peacefully with our Sinhlese and Muslim brethren in Sri Lanka.

The first official treaty recognsed under international law is the Treaty signed by the Sinhalese king and the Dutch in 1766. This allowed the Dutch the control of one Sinhalese ‘gawwa’ (4 miles) from the sea from south of Yalpanam around the island in areas not occupied by the Ductch at the tiem. The Sinhalese king also made a claim from the Dutch for the return of Kottiyarama and Tampalagamuwa at the that time.

Minister Dewanayagam as a young lawyer in Battcaloa later stated at a public meeting that the ‘there were hardly any Tamils in Batticaloa when he first started his practice in the 1930s.’

In fact there was no term as the Jaffna Tamils in the early part of 1900. Our ancesters were called Malabars by the Portugese, Dutch and the early British and by varous other terms, until we became predominantly Tamil and Briish came to understand the differences with the recruitment of our brethren for the coffee plantations . Both our own writers Kathiresu, circa 1905 and Mudaliar Rasanayagam uses the term ‘Jaffnese’. The term Jaffna Tamils developed only once settlements started in the east so as to distinguish our high caste Tamils from the mixed people of Battcaloa, and that term came into much later in the 20 th century. There were no Northern or Eastern Tamils mentioned till even much later. The Jaffnese in large numbers were confined to the Jaffna peninsular until the railways opened for our ancestors to come to Colombo in 1906 onwards. Else the movement of people by sea or land was very limited.

Once Tamil youth are encorage to read factual history of the 1901 census is seen that 88% of the population was concentrated on the Jaffa peninsular and only 12% lived in todays Mullativu, Kilinochchi districts of the Northern Province. As per J.P Lewis (Manual of the Wanni Districts of Ceylon) the long serving Governement Agent of the Wanni, immigration and settlement of the areas from people from Jaffna and India was government sposored and the Mullativu Hospital was called the ‘Immigration’ Hospital. The areas were abandoned by the Sinhalese who withdrew to the hinterland in the face of foreign invasions.

I feel our young Tamils have to be encouraged to read these narratives to know the true history of Sri Lanka rather than the leading them down the garden path of rhetoric, arraogance and racism.

Please read, Mudaliar Rasanayam himself in Ancient Jaffna, where he quotes the ‘Yalapana Vaipa Malar P 33′ and speaks of the Sinhalese living in villages of Yalapanam at the time of our King Sankili. He says ‘After the massacre of the Christians, Sankili’s insane fury longed for more victims and he fell upon the Buddhists of Jaffna who were all Sinhalese. He expelled them beyond the limits of the country and destroyed their various places of worship. M ost of them betook themselves to the Vannis and the Kandyan territories’. This is as per Y.P.M.

I wish young Tamils read and absorb these historical texts and other information rather than listening to unfounded racists literature that has caused such tragedy to our generation.

Journalists and othe leaders of the community have a duty to educate our youngsters. It was Sir Pannambalm Ramanathan who rejected universal franchise for all Ceylonese in the 1920s, and sowed the seeds of racism in Ilankai. However the Sinhalese due to their own petty caste issues did not think so. They elected a Tamil to take their seat in the State Council.

That was racial harmony at that time for ‘one Ceylon’. Lets build that underatsanding rapport once again.

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